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PostSubject: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 1:17 pm

After visiting their forum at another site and speaking with their representative directly, I don't have a lot of warm and fuzzies for Ocean 7.

With that said, I am considering having someone put a GENERIC dial on the watch for me, do you think this would be very difficult?

It has the SW200 movement...

Screw in case back...

Not REALLY concerned about what opening it might to do the water resistance, I never dive...

I want to keep it as OMEGA looking as I can and probably go to a BLACK dial...

Show me some suggestions and who might be willing to help me out (I don't feel like buying a bunch of tools to do the job right)...

This is what I would be going for...

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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 1:20 pm

Great idea!

If I remember correctly the sw200 is a drop in replacement for the 2824-2 so there should be LOADS of options for modding it available that don't take a lot of fiddling. Of course, I've been known to be wrong in the past.

Know what you're going through with the company and their problem attitude and how it impacts the enjoyment of a watch. I think your solution is a very creative one!
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 2:27 pm

I do like the black dial better than the blue. Finding a dial that fits the case is the hard part, once that is done then the hands are an easy swap/change, mounting the movement to the dial is simple. I would get the new dial relumed if it needs to.
I would be happy to do it but I'm an amateur or send it to Jake, Jay, Noah, Parks, but get the dial you want with a 3 or 4h date window.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 2:41 pm

barnbuilder1 wrote:
I do like the black dial better than the blue. Finding a dial that fits the case is the hard part, once that is done then the hands are an easy swap/change, mounting the movement to the dial is simple. I would get the new dial relumed if it needs to.
I would be happy to do it but I'm an amateur or send it to Jake, Jay, Noah, Parks, but get the dial you want with a 3 or 4h date window.

Dude I would totally trust you to do it...

I would keep the date at 3...

Do I need to measure the dial?

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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 2:58 pm

Anomaly wrote:
barnbuilder1 wrote:
I do like the black dial better than the blue. Finding a dial that fits the case is the hard part, once that is done then the hands are an easy swap/change, mounting the movement to the dial is simple. I would get the new dial relumed if it needs to.
I would be happy to do it but I'm an amateur or send it to Jake, Jay, Noah, Parks, but get the dial you want with a 3 or 4h date window.

Dude I would totally trust you to do it...

I would keep the date at 3...

Do I need to measure the dial?

Thanks!

before opening measure the dial as close as possible, this will give you a start to see what's out there. once you find a dial then we can take it apart and get the exact size. I'll look around for dials if I knew what you wanted.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 3:00 pm

. . . Wow! That's a hell of a statement you are making by doing yhay Alan.
Be sure to post it at " that friendly" place . . . . Would you change out the dial? Icon_albino
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 3:23 pm

Cool Project!

I want to do the same thing with a Swiss Legend Atlantis that I got in a trade. It has a dial I can't stand, red with the "appendectomy scar" multi-date opening. I just want to go with a sterile or single date window with a matte black dial.

I want to put it on a mesh bracelet too.

Problem with this watch, although it has a 2824-2, the dial is HUGE (tv watch...) Are there GIGANTIC dials out there for a replacement? Or are they all for "normal-sized" watches?
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 3:43 pm

The change would be cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 4:26 pm

If the dial is 28.5mm you have it made, any of the Seiko mod stuff should work. Center hole might be an issue. Noah and Harold have lots of stuff. Also try Mkii watches, more expensive but nice stuff too.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 4:49 pm

That's a great idea. I think it will look sweet with a dial that is very sterile and clean. no text or markings other than indicies.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 5:01 pm

Yep, near as I can tell the dial is 28.5mm...

SO ME SOMETHING!

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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 5:43 pm

cski wrote:
If the dial is 28.5mm you have it made, any of the Seiko mod stuff should work. Center hole might be an issue. Noah and Harold have lots of stuff. Also try Mkii watches, more expensive but nice stuff too.

Won't the feet be an issue too? My recollection is that the placement of the feet on the Seikos is different from the 2824s.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:01 pm

Docrwm wrote:
cski wrote:
If the dial is 28.5mm you have it made, any of the Seiko mod stuff should work. Center hole might be an issue. Noah and Harold have lots of stuff. Also try Mkii watches, more expensive but nice stuff too.

Won't the feet be an issue too? My recollection is that the placement of the feet on the Seikos is different from the 2824s.

The feet can be taken off easily and the dial stuck to a strategic part on the movement (double side tape maybe?) My Soxa mod had feet for a non 6309 and it worked fine, just have to line it all up right.

From Noah's website:
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:05 pm

cski wrote:
Docrwm wrote:
cski wrote:
If the dial is 28.5mm you have it made, any of the Seiko mod stuff should work. Center hole might be an issue. Noah and Harold have lots of stuff. Also try Mkii watches, more expensive but nice stuff too.

Won't the feet be an issue too? My recollection is that the placement of the feet on the Seikos is different from the 2824s.

The feet can be taken off easily and the dial stuck to a strategic part on the movement (double side tape maybe?) My Soxa mod had feet for a non 6309 and it worked fine, just have to lign it all up right.

So the diameter is the critical # and the feet are optional but preferred to be correct. THis just in from Lysanderxiii at WUS: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=199606

The SW200 is the same as an ETA 2824-2 as far as external dimensions are concerned.
And for those interested, Mk II hands and dials will fit the ETA 2892A2, as well as:

ETA 2801-2
ETA 2804-2
ETA 2821-1
ETA 2836-2
ETA 2842
ETA 2846
ETA 2850
ETA 2851
ETA 2852
ETA 2853
ETA 2858
ETA 2859
ETA 2870
ETA 2871
ETA 2872
ETA 2873
ETA 2878
ETA 2879
Hangzhou 6300
Seagull ST24

Mk II dials will fit the following:
Ronda 715
Ronda 715L
Ronda 312
Ronda 315
ISA 1198 series
ETA 255.1xx
ETA 955.1xx
ETA 805.1xx
ETA F06.111
ETA F06.11A


All of the listed movements ar 11-1/2 ligne movements, so they all have
a casing diameter of 25.60 mm, and an overall diameter of 26.00 mm.

The thickness (T) and stem height (SH) are the only things that vary:
ETA 2824-2, T: 4.60 mm, SH: 1.80 mm (Hands 90/150/25)
ETA 2892A2, T: 3.60 mm, SH: 1.50 mm
ETA 2801-2, T: 3.35 mm, SH: 1.80 mm
ETA 2804-2, T: 3.35 mm, SH: 1.80 mm
ETA 2821-1, T: 4.60 mm, SH: 1.80 mm
ETA 2836-2, T: 5.05 mm, SH: 2.25 mm
ETA 2842, T: 5.05 mm, SH: 2.25 mm
ETA 2846, T: 5.05 mm, SH: 2.25 mm
ETA 2850, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2851, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2852, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2853, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2858, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2859, T: 4.05 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2870, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2871, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2872, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2873, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2878, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
ETA 2879, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm
Hangzhou 6300, T: 4.60 mm, SH: 1.80 mm
Seagull ST24, T: 4.60 mm, SH: 1.80 mm

These Quartz movement have some variation in hand fitting sizes:

Ronda 715, T: 2.65 mm, SH: 1.00 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
Ronda 715Li T: 4.60 mm, SH: 1.00 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
Ronda 312, T: 3.25 mm, SH: 1.50 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
Ronda 315, T: 3.25 mm, SH: 1.50 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
Ronda 1013, T: 1.90 mm, SH: 0.75 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
Ronda 1015, T: 1.90 mm, SH: 0.75 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ISA 1198-101, T: 3.25 mm, SH: 1.75 mm (Hands 90/150/20)
ISA 1198-103, T: 3.70 mm, SH: 2.20 mm (Hands 90/150/20)
ISA 1198-104, T: 4.00 mm, SH: 2.50 mm (Hands 90/150/20)
ISA 1198-105, T: 4.10 mm, SH: 2.60 mm (Hands 90/150/20)
ETA 255.112, T: 1.95 mm, SH: 0.75 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA 255.122, T: 2.45 mm, SH: 1.25 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA 955.112, T: 2.57 mm, SH: 1.00 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA 955.122, T: 3.07 mm, SH: 1.50 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA 805.114, T: 3.45 mm, SH: 1.20 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA 805.124, T: 3.70 mm, SH: 1.45 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA F06.111, T: 3.22 mm, SH: 1.00 mm (Hands 70/120/20)
ETA F06.11A, T: 3.22 mm, SH: 1.00 mm (Hands 70/120/20)

EDIT:

For comparison, two common Chinese movements (dial feet not compatable)
DG2803 11-1/2 l, T: 5.30 mm, SH: 2.50 mm, Hands: 100/150/17
ST16 11-1/2l, T: 5.50 mm, SH 2.50 mm, Hands: 100/150/17
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:09 pm

The dial feet are little posts that slip into corresponding spaces in the movement. Helpful, but not essential.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:12 pm

This from a watchmaker at TZ-Uk that I like.

I've never actually touched one [SW200]. But, for answers to technical
questions, other things being equal, it might be best to look at the
technical specification. So, you could go to the Sellita site, download
their very complete 14 page technical document on the movement, which
gives all the relevant dimensions (in addition to parts, oiling
requirements, etc.), and compare it to the dimensions given by ETA in
the technical document they provide for the 2824.

And this was in the thread from another Mega-Collector
"Yes they [SW200 & 2824-2] are completely interchangeable - i asked this question way back and had it confirmed by Mitch at Ocean7"

http://www.mkiiwatches.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Parts+and+Accessories%3ADials%3ASwiss+Movements:28.0+mm
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:17 pm

Docrwm wrote:
This from a watchmaker at TZ-Uk that I like.

I've never actually touched one [SW200]. But, for answers to technical
questions, other things being equal, it might be best to look at the
technical specification. So, you could go to the Sellita site, download
their very complete 14 page technical document on the movement, which
gives all the relevant dimensions (in addition to parts, oiling
requirements, etc.), and compare it to the dimensions given by ETA in
the technical document they provide for the 2824.

And this was in the thread from another Mega-Collector
"Yes they [SW200 & 2824-2] are completely interchangeable - i asked this question way back and had it confirmed by Mitch at Ocean7"

It sounds like Bill Yao's dial would be perfect, and he does have a Ploprof type dial.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 6:23 pm

I like this one from Doc's link:

Would you change out the dial? Eme01523bka_300

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Anomaly wrote:
I like this one from Doc's link:

Would you change out the dial? Eme01523bka_300

Nice. I think they have that one in Orange and Yellow too.
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Docrwm wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
I like this one from Doc's link:

Would you change out the dial? Eme01523bka_300

Nice. I think they have that one in Orange and Yellow too.

Do they come with decent lume?

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Anomaly wrote:
Docrwm wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
I like this one from Doc's link:

Would you change out the dial? Eme01523bka_300

Nice. I think they have that one in Orange and Yellow too.

Do they come with decent lume?

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^^^^Thats the one to go with IMHO!!
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That'd be a YES!

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Anomaly wrote:
That'd be a YES!

When asked about lume on his dials at WUS (where he is a sponsor FYI) Bill Yao answered thusly:
"The lume is C1....and a lot of it"
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PostSubject: Re: Would you change out the dial?   Would you change out the dial? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 24, 2010 8:08 pm

This is going to be OMEGA cool !!! Would you change out the dial? Icon_cool Would you change out the dial? 803574 Would you change out the dial? Icon_cool Just thinking about
doing this must be pretty exciting. What a GREAT idea !!! Sounds
like you guys have this one covered. That MKII dial looks PERFECT
and the lume is TREMENDOUS ! I hope that one works for you ! Would you change out the dial? Icon_smile
Here are some of the sites Chris was talking about, as well as some
more with extra info. I'm sure you have probably already seen them
before though !

http://www.10watches.com/apps/webstore/products/category/35066

https://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t208/yobokies/Dial/

http://www.ofrei.com/page665.html#11031

http://www.omegawatches.com/gents/seamaster/ploprof-1200-m

http://ploprof.com/Site/PloProf.html

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not a bunch of sterile eta dials out there if it is 28.5 you could go with a seiko dial but the feet will not work, would have to use feet pads (double sided tape) or you could repaint the dial! anything you find in aftermarket is going to need to go to a lume guy because the lume sucks on most! Kent parks could paint the dial and relume it but it's still going to be a O7, if it was me i would just enjoy the watch! Just today i Would you change out the dial? 500253 up a miyota movement on a mod because i didnt use a hand puller and bent the little tiny second hand shaft and now the second hand wont go back on!! For 200 bones you can get the omega dial but thats kinda posing, you dont have to like their forum or the owner, the watch is hot and i wouldnt mess with it! I'm working on a 45mm watch and the dial is 34MM!!
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nice dials! consider the hands if you want to change them.
The eta 2824-2 and SW200 are identical, even all the parts numbers for the two are the same.
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not a bunch of sterile eta dials out there if it is 28.5 you could go with a seiko dial but the feet will not work, would have to use feet pads (double sided tape) or you could repaint the dial! anything you find in aftermarket is going to need to go to a lume guy because the lume sucks on most! Kent parks could paint the dial and relume it but it's still going to be a O7, if it was me i would just enjoy the watch! Just today i Would you change out the dial? 500253 up a miyota movement on a mod because i didnt use a hand puller and bent the little tiny second hand shaft and now the second hand wont go back on!! For 200 bones you can get the omega dial but thats kinda posing, you dont have to like their forum or the owner, the watch is hot and i wouldnt mess with it! I'm working on a 45mm watch and the dial is 34MM!!

Trevor, I have three extra 8215 movements, I'll send one out today, you will have it tomorrow
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O7 uses C3 superluminova so it wont mach up! C3 is the best from everything i've heard! ron could do it, dial change is simple for him but i would still think about it before you go through with it!
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barnbuilder1 wrote:
cali kid wrote:
not a bunch of sterile eta dials out there if it is 28.5 you could go with a seiko dial but the feet will not work, would have to use feet pads (double sided tape) or you could repaint the dial! anything you find in aftermarket is going to need to go to a lume guy because the lume sucks on most! Kent parks could paint the dial and relume it but it's still going to be a O7, if it was me i would just enjoy the watch! Just today i Would you change out the dial? 500253 up a miyota movement on a mod because i didnt use a hand puller and bent the little tiny second hand shaft and now the second hand wont go back on!! For 200 bones you can get the omega dial but thats kinda posing, you dont have to like their forum or the owner, the watch is hot and i wouldnt mess with it! I'm working on a 45mm watch and the dial is 34MM!!

Trevor, I have three extra 8215 movements, I'll send one out today, you will have it tomorrow

That would be amazing Ron, was going to buy a watch at a pawn shop or order the movement! Let me know what you want and i send up the funds!Thankk you very much! if you have a second hand that would be cool to!! damn miyota is different than everyone!


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cali kid wrote:
barnbuilder1 wrote:
cali kid wrote:
not a bunch of sterile eta dials out there if it is 28.5 you could go with a seiko dial but the feet will not work, would have to use feet pads (double sided tape) or you could repaint the dial! anything you find in aftermarket is going to need to go to a lume guy because the lume sucks on most! Kent parks could paint the dial and relume it but it's still going to be a O7, if it was me i would just enjoy the watch! Just today i Would you change out the dial? 500253 up a miyota movement on a mod because i didnt use a hand puller and bent the little tiny second hand shaft and now the second hand wont go back on!! For 200 bones you can get the omega dial but thats kinda posing, you dont have to like their forum or the owner, the watch is hot and i wouldnt mess with it! I'm working on a 45mm watch and the dial is 34MM!!

Trevor, I have three extra 8215 movements, I'll send one out today, you will have it tomorrow

That would be amazing Ron, was going to buy a watch at a pawn shop or order the movement! Let me know what you want and i send up the funds!Thankk you very much!

not a problem, nothing wanted I won't use all them anyway
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very cool, if you a have a second hand laying around i'll take it too! Damn miyota!! Dont know why i started a mod with one!
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I do have a silver hand, no lume and its long so you can cut it if needed.
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I'm planning on putting an omega dial in mine. I found the dial and date wheel. Who should I contact to do the work? Also, the moega dial is 29.4mm and the LM-7 is "29 +/- a fraction" - Mitch. This should work, right?
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wrxzzz wrote:
I'm planning on putting an omega dial in mine. I found the dial and date wheel. Who should I contact to do the work? Also, the moega dial is 29.4mm and the LM-7 is "29 +/- a fraction" - Mitch. This should work, right?
Noah, Jake or MCWW can do the work...

MCWW (Motor City Watch Works) - [url=http://www.motorcitywatchworks.com/index.html]http://www.motorcitywatchworks.com/index.html[/url]

Jake - [url=http://www.dotwatchworks.com/]http://www.dotwatchworks.com/[/url] and [url=http://www.10watches.com/]http://www.10watches.com/[/url]

Noah - [url=http://www.fullerwatch.com/]http://www.fullerwatch.com/[/url] and [url=http://thetsunamiwatch.blogspot.com/]http://thetsunamiwatch.blogspot.com/[/url] and [url=http://www.10watches.com/]http://www.10watches.com/[/url]



All 3 are members here, you can shoot them an e-mail or PM...they are all awesome!


There is a sticky in the Mod Forum that gives tons of links for making modifications to watches...check it out! Link --->>> [url=https://xtrememeantime.forumotion.com/parts-mod-links-and-reference-f11/mod-and-parts-resources-t4162.htm]https://xtrememeantime.forumotion.com/parts-mod-links-and-reference-f11/mod-and-parts-resources-t4162.htm[/url]

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