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This comes after all the problems from the speedways with the DD module, where Eyal, Mike, Jim, etc. said they were working hard with DD to fix the problems with the movement:
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Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco
From: Christopher Becker

Ccadubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:17
Dear ,

Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from someone in New Jersey just last week.

We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the following:

1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz.
We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has
ever been supplied to them.

2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and "opinions"
notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this
movement regarding the types of problems you have described. After
hundreds of thousands, we think we would have by now if there were
actually issues.

3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the
movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have
seen "duplicates" of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones,
either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware
that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it
to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed
through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were
subject to.

4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their
reaction to your e-mail, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with
the modules to determine their origin (see 3) above) and initial sales
point (both of which we can do). As you and your members are surely
also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and can
de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to
components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly.

5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have
reason to have had, any "loud conversation" with Dubois-Depraz since he
is not even a customer. I would be very surprised if he or anyone from
his company publicly blamed DD for something of that nature as claimed;
it is not his style as I have known him.

Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail
should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the
veracity of any information, before making pejorative public
statements, especially on a national network.

You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping us informed of these events.

Kind regards,

Chris Becker
Business Development Manager--Americas
Dubois-Depraz SA


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As long as we keep this to the SUBJECT OF THIS MOVEMENT (and NOT resurrect ghosts from the past), I am fine with discussing this matter.

My $.02, how can ANYONE put any stock in Invicta after this?

(unless of course this letter is a total fake, which, would not surprise me either given the depths of disdain some have for the company)...

But again, it's like being shocked at hearing a sailor cuss...

***EDIT - I do NOT want to see any REPLY posts from anyone associated from Invicta or ShopNBC...

...they have their own site for that.

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Alan,

I doubt, given the return email addresses and such associated with this, that this is a fake. I agree that I do not want to see a host of BS posts about that brand, their spokesgeek, or anything else but this involves the reputation of a REAL SWISS, and WELL respected, company and that part I am (somewhat) interested in.

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Wow - Incredible.
Never considered that the movements were NOT DDs - especially after being pitched/sold as such.
Gonna be pretty hard to spin their way back from this one.
Guess the controversy and drama continues.
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SKank ass bitches all of them.
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. . . I am keenly interested in this entire issue. Not only in regards to the DD aspect and the potential fraud involved, but the entire 3 ring circus. This is the culmination of a long series of events and issues that most of us are already aware of.

. . . My personal irony in this is the realisation that the man who pressed on relentlessy persuing this matter was probably mis-judged by myself.

. . . at any rate, I will follow this saga closely.
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I thought about them not being dd modules when invicta offered this watch.Only DD can refurbish them.period.
Another movement that invicta sells but can't repair.They have a track record for this.I've posted this many times to deaf ears over the
years.Its rarely the movements fault,its the chimps that encase them and the cheap labor used to install dials and hands.
When working with very highend movements, real watchmakers are needed for the assembly process.This isn't a knock on
chinese companies that do alot of contract work.Theres plenty of reputable asian companies that are capable
of putting these together.But you see,thats at a cost.Invicta uses the cheapest bidder to build the watches.


Heres how this works for contract companies in the watch industry.Cases are made at one company that specialises in them.
Another company makes the dials.Another makes the hands.Another supplies the seals,etc.All of these companies get the same set of
prints to work from.If just one of those companies screws up on the specs,the watch has issues.
Then all of these parts are sent to an assembly company,most of the time for invicta its in asia and the lowest bidder.
They get paid for the contract amount.The problem with this method is the contractor knows that they can make more money if
they get the watches assembled ahead of schedule so they can move onto the next contract watch.
Whos doing the qc? well nobody is.Thats been painfully obvious for years now.


Some wonder why Collectors only buy older invictas.Well because they were as stated when made.Catin and cie put alot of the swiss made
Invictas together in the late 90's,early 2000.But since they charge a premium for they're work because they have real
watchmakers on staff,invicta,in the persuit of profits started to contract the work out to asian companies with assembly facilites
in Switzerland.If you didn't know that, you do now.
Invicta uses movement brokers.I'll bet that in the past 2 years,invicta hasen't purchased any movements directly from the manufacturer besides
Ronda. Seiko won't sell to them but seikos modification company will.

I think what I'm trying to say is you get what you pay for.Its really a shame that theres so many people out there that still buy those
watches,even after seeing all of the fiascos and lawsuits.

I own 5 watches with different dd modules.I had an aquagraph that housed the 2021 module.Man,talk about a sweet working movement.
I sold that to sixtysix.He loves it.But those were made at DD and Tag housed them.All quality checks done by both companies.
Wonder why the higher end companies don't ever have issues like this? they own there own company and facilites.
heres one in action
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Excellent commentary and great video dude!

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I agree with Alan, great analysis. I might add that if there is a problem, because everything mechanical runs that risk no matter how high end, those companies have the resources to take care of it properly and do so.
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Yeah what Sean said, invicta sucks! The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree: 492736
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yamahaki wrote:
I thought about them not being dd modules when invicta offered this watch.Only DD can refurbish them.period.
Another movement that invicta sells but can't repair.They have a track record for this.I've posted this many times to deaf ears over the
years.Its rarely the movements fault,its the chimps that encase them and the cheap labor used to install dials and hands.
When working with very highend movements, real watchmakers are needed for the assembly process.This isn't a knock on
chinese companies that do alot of contract work.Theres plenty of reputable asian companies that are capable
of putting these together.But you see,thats at a cost.Invicta uses the cheapest bidder to build the watches.


Heres how this works for contract companies in the watch industry.Cases are made at one company that specialises in them.
Another company makes the dials.Another makes the hands.Another supplies the seals,etc.All of these companies get the same set of
prints to work from.If just one of those companies screws up on the specs,the watch has issues.
Then all of these parts are sent to an assembly company,most of the time for invicta its in asia and the lowest bidder.
They get paid for the contract amount.The problem with this method is the contractor knows that they can make more money if
they get the watches assembled ahead of schedule so they can move onto the next contract watch.
Whos doing the qc? well nobody is.Thats been painfully obvious for years now.


Some wonder why Collectors only buy older invictas.Well because they were as stated when made.Catin and cie put alot of the swiss made
Invictas together in the late 90's,early 2000.But since they charge a premium for they're work because they have real
watchmakers on staff,invicta,in the persuit of profits started to contract the work out to asian companies with assembly facilites
in Switzerland.If you didn't know that, you do now.
Invicta uses movement brokers.I'll bet that in the past 2 years,invicta hasen't purchased any movements directly from the manufacturer besides
Ronda. Seiko won't sell to them but seikos modification company will.

I think what I'm trying to say is you get what you pay for.Its really a shame that theres so many people out there that still buy those
watches,even after seeing all of the fiascos and lawsuits.

I own 5 watches with different dd modules.I had an aquagraph that housed the 2021 module.Man,talk about a sweet working movement.
I sold that to sixtysix.He loves it.But those were made at DD and Tag housed them.All quality checks done by both companies.
Wonder why the higher end companies don't ever have issues like this? they own there own company and facilites.
heres one in action

Nicely constructed post .Pretty much all common knowledge amongst forum savvy WIS though.
Since Invicta is ,for the most part, a TV and Internet brand they deserve a break.After all , the net is filled with deception and lies.
It's up to the users and buyers to figure out what is,or isn't, on the level.Invicta has proven time and again that it's easy to fool the uninformed.The same applies to many forum members and owners.
Look at WatchGeeks and othersites.
On the internet you can pretty much be anyone or anything.
This is not a fiasco-it is business as usual on the net.
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Well stated, whitebread.
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. . . due respect of course, I disagree. Invicta deserves no "break" on the grounds that the net is filled with deceit and lies. The fact that it exists doesn't warrant fraudulent behaviour. True that the WIS/Forum community may be better informed . . . but the general public is prone as victims as well.

. . . for a manufacturer and agents of retail on their behalf to profit by lies is outright criminal. This is not one watch being sold between individuals under misrepresented terms . . . but rather a huge number of watches being sold as something they are not, amounting to many dollars in gain for the people behind it.

. . . when I buy,I want to rest assured that the item I am buying is what it is being said to be. Everyone should be entitled to that peace of mind.
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*giggles*

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yamahaki wrote:
I own 5 watches with different dd modules.I had an aquagraph that housed the 2021 module.Man,talk about a sweet working movement.
I sold that to sixtysix. He loves it.But those were made at DD and Tag housed them.All quality checks done by both companies.
Wonder why the higher end companies don't ever have issues like this? they own there own company and facilites.
heres one in action

It was a big toss up for me you know Invicta vs. Tag Heuer Aquagraph The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree: Icon_rolleyes , I thought about this for days..... The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree: 744742 . Looks like I may have made the right decision!!

But seriously the DD movement was 99% of the reasoning in that purchase, a chance to own something truly special for a resonable cost. If Invicta has misrepresented these movements or watches they should get spanked just like any other 'fake' watchmaker. Fines, prison, milkshake dances, the whole bit......bottom line is it sucks when you pay for something and get something else.

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Quote :
Nicely constructed post .Pretty much all common knowledge amongst forum savvy WIS though.
Since Invicta is ,for the most part, a TV and Internet brand they deserve a break.After all , the net is filled with deception and lies.
It's up to the users and buyers to figure out what is,or isn't, on the level.Invicta has proven time and again that it's easy to fool the uninformed.The same applies to many forum members and owners.
Look at WatchGeeks and othersites.
On the internet you can pretty much be anyone or anything.
This is not a fiasco-it is business as usual on the net.
If this were common knowledge and people knew it,then watchgeeks wouldn't exist.The only place that sells invicta watches through internet tv is shop.I'd put NBC

at the end but they dropped shop.
Its not alright,its not cool,they shouldn't get any slack for selling garbage.
This all started in 2005.Any idea which forum? no? any idea where the owner of that site and the admins came from? no?
Can't be savvy and not know this common stuff.
As members from geeks figured out they were getting screwed, they invaded other forums and found out they didn't know crap and in most
cases were told to shut up and listen or leave.Thats not the case with the mambers and the owner here though.
They got past the deception and perceptions and have a real watch forum now.
Its not alright to sell bad movements.
Its not alright to sell chinese watches branded as Swiss Made.
Its not alright to state that your Invicta is better than a Rolex.

Its not alright to be a frigging retard on the Internet.
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IMHO, whitebread wasn't saying it's OK to be something you're not on the internet, but there are lots of people claiming to be something they're not, selling something that's not what it really is. He's saying there are a lot of bullshitters out there. He's not saying it's OK to do that.

To me the post was reminding folks about "Caveat emptor."
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Not true.Saying that Invicta needs a break isn't Caveat emptor. Caveat emptor would be whats applied on other forums
when giving opinions on shop and Invicta in general.You don't cut a company slack thats lied continuosly and with contempt.
Blantantly stealing plasticase in plain sight,etc.This company has proven through its own actions that its unethical.
They now have a forum just for this new screw up.
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By the're very own admissions,they still lie to the members.
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Other companies don't get this kind of press.They don't spend every waking hour trying to put out another bad product
just to make a buck.
Other internet companies? which ones? some of the small forum brands? I can't think of any other company that sells on the
internet and at retail outlets so Invicta is totally alone in this.
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I will clearthis up once again. If it smells like shit, then it's shit. And this one smells like a hot steamer.
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Too bad all the geeks will believe those two post and not look outside their own forum in fear of being banned!! Just keep your head down and follow the sheep in front of you! The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree: 492736
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Again...I don't want this to turn into a BASH INVICTA thread...

...but it REALLY does make one wonder just how far in the sand some collectors have their head's buried.

It's time for LURKERS to quit seeing post like this as BASHING and see it for what it is...

...revelation of yet another FACT of PURPOSELY misleading the market.

AGAIN, please keep this thread on the topic of this particular movement and not every other comment that has been made adnaseum about the yellow brand..

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. . . Yes, this particular movement. But also the deception practiced by the people that sold them.

. . . Real plain terms here guys. I left there not knowing much, I came here . . . left . . . came back . . . bounced around until I learned enough to converse the language, understand the ettiquette and follow protocol on the different boards. The "lemmings" as we see them deserve the same. There are some good folks there that are guilty of no more than blind trust.

. . . There will probably be a mass exodus of members looking, just as I did, for a place to call home. If we present this sanely and with supported reason . . . we will be of service.

. . . Whether you have ever thought about it or not, it is good to have a place you can go to and enjoy, or be frustrated at, or laugh at, or disagree at . . . . and in the end log off and put it aside . . . .
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Anomaly wrote:
Again...I don't want this to turn into a BASH INVICTA thread...

...but it REALLY does make one wonder just how far in the sand some collectors have their head's buried.

It's time for LURKERS to quit seeing post like this as BASHING and see it for what it is...

...revelation of yet another FACT of PURPOSELY misleading the market.

AGAIN, please keep this thread on the topic of this particular movement and not every other comment that has been made adnaseum about the yellow brand..


Let's be 100% honest. This IS an INVICTA issue. It is not about bashing them, it is a legit problem they created and now have to deal with. Whether you like them or not (and I know many of us do not any more) they are a watch brand and this is their mess. So this is a valid topic and is being discussed on every single watch forum across the net. I agree with Sean that you do not see any other brand having ANY similar situations over and over and over again, which again is a reflection of this brands way of doing business. I was surprised to see images of actual WG posts from JS and MD posted above since that was a problem previously, but it does illustrate the back peddling they are doing.

Since the WG site is the "unofficial" Invicta forum anyway, personally I would not be surprised if the site closed soon. It is only a problem for them at this point and with JS and MD working at shopnbc it just creates issues for them that they can easily avoid. ALL of the hosts (and the shobnbc company as a whole) have moved very quickly on to Facebook in the past few months creating a large presense of multiple hosts and company pages promoting upcoming shows, specials and events. They have a larger reach on FB and can easily remove friends/fans who make comments they do not like to their status updates. I know people who have already been "defriended" by them on FB. Just my opinion, but I could easily see them shutting down WG and moving exclusively to Facebook in the near future.
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I think TVDinner has hit it on the head. This is just a huge PR problem for ShopNBC. Facebook appears to be a better way to promote their shows and products adn give them better control over comments. I can see Shop putting lots of distance between themselves and WG's. I'm not sure what will happen with Invicta. They have a insanely loyal base and even BP is still in business. I know they won't get any more of my money.
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Think James has something here! Invicta will be fine, not so sure about WG's! Served it's purpose with questionable results but made a huge fan base, they have already made it a private forum to restrict information so why not just lock the doors and go to facebook where they can control all the info coming out of invicta! Would be no big lose to me! scratch
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I personally don't care what happens to WG or Invicta. I am loyal to a fault but when I've been shit on enough....I'm done. It's my personal opinion that Invicta has done just that to all of their loyal customers. The whole DD debacle (funny how DD has no knowledge or record of Invicta purchasing ANY of their movements) along with the design theft continues to make front page news at all of the watch forums, but yet it makes no difference to the thousands of people that continue to buy their products. As for WG.....nevermind.
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Back to what matters...WATCHES!

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Disaster.

Sad.
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Very sad situation. It is impossible to keep a business model going that based on deceit and smarmy actions.

Not sure if WG will fold, but the one thing I know is that those value pays will continue to come if it does! That is the worst part of it all, they prey on the WG members. Hopefully those members will come to their senses and move to a forum outside WG.

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TVDinner wrote:
Since the WG site is the "unofficial" Invicta forum
Not True. WG is the official Invicta forum.

TVDinner wrote:
I would not be surprised if the site closed soon. It
is only a problem for them at this point and with JS and MD working at
shopnbc it just creates issues for them that they can easily avoid. ALL
of the hosts (and the shobnbc company as a whole) have moved very
quickly on to Facebook in the past few months creating a large presense
of multiple hosts and company pages promoting upcoming shows, specials
and events. They have a larger reach on FB and can easily remove
friends/fans who make comments they do not like to their status updates.
I know people who have already been "defriended" by them on FB. Just my
opinion, but I could easily see them shutting down WG and moving
exclusively to Facebook in the near future.
I disagree. WG will continue for a long time. The fans of Invicta and members of the site are too numerous for it to go away.

As stated before. There are some really good folks on the site.
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Value pays.A total joke.If you can't buy a watch with disposable income,then you don't need a watch.You need other things
for yourself and for your family.Financial responsibility.Some of the maroons have 10 vps at once.Thats about 1k a month
being paid by credit card.Doesn't matter that its interest free.Thats 6k spent on watches that once worn won't resell on the forums
for more than 1k in total.Thats not watch collecting.Thats amassing watches for the sole purpose of posting them on various
forums to say, hey,look what I have.I laugh at these guys.Its pretend collecting.
Its pretty sad when you have 150 watches and not one of them is a quality watch.You might think some of them are,but
if that collection is nothing but android,Invicta,Swiss legend,renato and Sturhling original,you don't have quality,just quantity.
People buy the SO tourbillons thinking thats quality.Well you bought a chinese manufactured huge watch with a tourbillon
movement.This watch can't be repaired or serviced by SO.only millionsmarts repair centers can do that.
Thats also probably where invictas go for repair.

Take value pays away and that forum folds up quicker than a twat sprinkled with alum powder.
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There have been great people on every forum I've been a member of over the years - even 3T The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree: Icon_eek

That said, WGs and Shop are like believing the used car salesman when he wants to sell you that creampuff. GET CARFAX.

We've had a few people wander over here from WGs and get mad. Some come back eventually and realize that WE didn't mislead them.

The bane of WGs and that brand are educated consumers. The more we provide friendly and informative posts about watches the fewer people will be buying that brand. But they have a huge megaphone in that channel and we only have a small forum. Nonetheless our good works are fruitful and we should continue to stay the course and take the high road in our posts.

Not to go all religious on you but "Love the Sinner, hate the sin." We welcome all watch enthusiasts here.
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Docrwm wrote:
The more we provide friendly and informative posts about watches
You nailed it. In a broader sense, this goes beyond Invicta and SNBC. The more we provide a friendly and informative atmosphere, there better off we'll all be.

Good show RWM!
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You're right Doc, but this didnt start here and its all over the boards! WG's will do the us vs. the world thing and i've seen where they blame Alain and think all he did was get into contact with DD to make sure the info was true! We could scream from the rooftops and not change a thing but it's something i dont think we should just sweep under the rug! We have no dog in this fight but to the true collector it's a joke, the main problem i see is that everyone that figures it out there will be 10 newbies to take his place and dont think for a second eyal doesnt know this!
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yamahaki wrote:
Value pays.A total joke.If you can't buy a watch with disposable income,then you don't need a watch.You need other things for yourself and for your family.Financial responsibility.

I agree completely. It makes me sad when I read posts by or hear live TV testimonials on SNBC from customers saying that they are on welfare/disability/fixed income and are purchasing their umpteenth Invicta this year.

SERIOUSLY!?!?

Of course, being live TV, the hosts are not able to do anything but congratulate them on their new purchase.

But I digress, one cannot force the concept of personal financial responsibility upon anyone else.

It truly makes me sad to hear these things...
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