World's First?

Ok guys, educate me here...

Utter and complete BS. There, now you're educated.

Docrwm wrote:

Utter and complete BS. There, now you're educated.

LOL. You hit it right on the head. Goes right along with Doxa and "swiss made".



Early dive watches were often developed in response to military and professional needs. Omega SA is credited as the creator of the world's first diving watch, the Omega "Marine", introduced in 1932.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch

Doxa, like Invicta and others is an old brand that died off and was purchased by bottom feeders with better marketing skills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxa_S.A.

Love this paragraph from wikipedia, particularly the very first sentence.

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In the late 1960s Doxa realized that diving was becoming more
popular—especially given the success of early innovators like Rolex and
Blancpain in the early 1950s. In fact the success of Rolex's Submariner
and Blancpain's Fifty Fathoms helped originate a market for followers
such as Doxa. This may have been due to the efforts of Jacques Cousteau
and increased general awareness of the sport. Doxa decided to devote
resources to create a watch to be used for diving. Tests indicated that
an orange face was more visible in murky water. Doxa also consulted
with divers, including Cousteau, then chairman of "U.S. Divers," and Claude Wesly
(a Cousteau companion and the first man to spend seven days
thirty-three feet underwater). A staff of engineers and professional
divers was assembled to create a watch with features important to the
diving industry. The Sub300t was purchased in quantity by U.S. Divers,
who resold the watch in the United States. It was an instant hit with
divers and quickly sold out upon its introduction.

One thing that does seem to be a first from Doxa is that they evidently
were the first watch company to make a Dive Watch with a Helium Escape
Valve available to the public ! It was called the 300t Conquistador and it
was released in 1969. Rolex released a Dive Watch with Helium escape valve
to the public around 1971/1972. Before that Rolex had a Helium Escape Valve
equiped watch, but it evidently was only availabe to commercial dive
companies. Also Doxa had the first orange dial Divers Watch. As well as
the first rotating bezel with decompression times. In the end there were
Dive watches that existed before Doxa. Nevertheless, the publicly released
Helium escape valve, orange dial and rotating bezel with decompression
times might be what they mean by first "dedicated" Dive Watch. I hope this
maybe helps !

Here is a link :

http://www.monochrome.nl/doxa-sub-first-dive-watch-with-helium-escape-valve/

[quote="AtomicTom"]One thing that does seem to be a first from Doxa is that they evidently
were the first watch company to make a Dive Watch with a Helium Escape
Valve available to the public ! It was called the 300t Conquistador and it
was released in 1969. Rolex released a Dive Watch with Helium escape valve
to the public around 1971/1972. Before that Rolex had a Helium Escape Valve
equiped watch, but it evidently was only availabe to commercial dive
companies. Also Doxa had the first orange dial Divers Watch. As well as
the first rotating bezel with decompression times. In the end there were
Dive watches that existed before Doxa. Nevertheless, the publicly released
Helium escape valve, orange dial and rotating bezel with decompression
times might be what they mean by first "dedicated" Dive Watch. I hope this
maybe helps !

Here is a link :

http://www.monochrome.nl/doxa-sub-first-dive-watch-with-helium-escape-valve/[/quote]



Whilst many watch companies react to this effect by simply offering an even more robust case/crystal construction, Rolex and Doxa S.A. however thought of a different concept when they co-created the helium escape valve in the 1960s (first introduced in the Rolex Submariner/Sea-Dweller and the Doxa Conquistador

[quote="koimaster"]

AtomicTom wrote:

One thing that does seem to be a first from Doxa is that they evidently
were the first watch company to make a Dive Watch with a Helium Escape
Valve available to the public ! It was called the 300t Conquistador and it
was released in 1969. Rolex released a Dive Watch with Helium escape valve
to the public around 1971/1972. Before that Rolex had a Helium Escape Valve
equiped watch, but it evidently was only availabe to commercial dive
companies. Also Doxa had the first orange dial Divers Watch. As well as
the first rotating bezel with decompression times. In the end there were
Dive watches that existed before Doxa. Nevertheless, the publicly released
Helium escape valve, orange dial and rotating bezel with decompression
times might be what they mean by first "dedicated" Dive Watch. I hope this
maybe helps !

Here is a link :

http://www.monochrome.nl/doxa-sub-first-dive-watch-with-helium-escape-valve/[/quote]



Whilst many watch companies react to this effect by simply offering an even more robust case/crystal construction, Rolex and Doxa S.A. however thought of a different concept when they co-created the helium escape valve in the 1960s (first introduced in the Rolex Submariner/Sea-Dweller and the Doxa Conquistador

Thanks Koi ! I was just pointing out that Doxa evidently was the first to
have a Helium Escape Valve Dive Watch made availabe to the consumer !
It's all VERY interesting !

Doxa was a solid Swiss Diver maker in the late 60s - no argument there. Its just not what the current marketers claim it was at all. Same Day....well you know the rest.

I refuse to be party to Doxa bashing even though I believe the current owners have the ethics of a remora.

boscoe wrote:

I refuse to be party to Doxa bashing even though I believe the current owners have the ethics of a remora.

Hater! Hating haters still makes you a hater!

I hate haters who hate haters.

boscoe wrote:

I hate haters who hate haters.

I saw this on another forum. All I can say is that if we choose to support those with only the purest of blood lines, our choices would be severely limited.

WatchNoob wrote:

I saw this on another forum. All I can say is that if we choose to support those with only the purest of blood lines, our choices would be severely limited.

Very true. What bothers me is the attitude of some that its okay for some companies to buy a name from the past but they will ridicule other companies who have done the very same thing.

boscoe wrote:

I hate haters who hate haters.

Which makes you self-loathing! Me, I don't have time to hate.

merichar wrote:

WatchNoob wrote:

I saw this on another forum. All I can say is that if we choose to support those with only the purest of blood lines, our choices would be severely limited.

Very true. What bothers me is the attitude of some that its okay for some companies to buy a name from the past but they will ridicule other companies who have done the very same thing.

Not ridicule of Doxa just trying to set it straight. Even if, and I say IF, you allow the current Doxa to lay claim to original Doxa's achievements - they ain't what the marketers are claiming they were.

Zactly on both counts, doc.

Docrwm wrote:

[Not ridicule of Doxa just trying to set it straight. Even if, and I say IF, you allow the current Doxa to lay claim to original Doxa's achievements - they ain't what the marketers are claiming they were.

Doc-I was'nt referring to your comments. Just making the point that anyone who claims current Doxa has any more heritage than say Invicta is being hypocritical.

Doxa, founded in 1889 by George Ducommun, began as a maker of fine dress watches and other timepieces.^{[citation needed]} Over the years, Doxa gained in size and branched out into other timekeeping markets. (Wristwatches, Armbanduhren, Montres-bracelets; Brunner, Gisbert L; Pfeiffer-Belli, Christian; Koneman, 2006)
In the late 1960s Doxa realized that diving was becoming more popular—especially given the success of early innovators like Rolex and Blancpain in the early 1950s. In fact the success of Rolex's Submariner and Blancpain's Fifty Fathoms helped originate a market for followers such as Doxa. This may have been due to the efforts of Jacques Cousteau and increased general awareness of the sport. Doxa decided to devote resources to create a watch to be used for diving. Tests indicated that an orange face was more visible in murky water. Doxa also consulted with divers, including Cousteau, then chairman of "U.S. Divers," and Claude Wesly (a Cousteau companion and the first man to spend seven days thirty-three feet underwater). A staff of engineers and professional divers was assembled to create a watch with features important to the diving industry. The Sub300t was purchased in quantity by U.S. Divers, who resold the watch in the United States. It was an instant hit with divers and quickly sold out upon its introduction.^{[citation needed]}
The Doxa Sub300t features an orange face to make it more visible in the water. It has a rotating bezel with the official US Navy air dive table for no-decompression dives engraved onto its surface. The watch could be used to calculate decompression times, and other information useful to divers. It was rated to work 300 meters below sea level, and later versions were introduced that could work up to 750 meters below sea level.
Other watchmakers then followed with similar bezels, as well as colorful and bright faces.
Soon after the introduction of the Sub300t, the Swiss watch industry was hard-hit economically by the quartz watch revolution. Accurate, reliable and small timepieces could now be made without the mechanical movements that the Swiss specialized in constructing. In response, Doxa joined a group of Swiss watchmakers to consolidate resources. This eventually failed and Doxa, after being sold, ceased operations in about 1980.^{[citation needed]}
Recently, Doxa has been revived by the Jenny family of Switzerland, who owns the brand. Since August 2002, Doxa has introduced re-editions of its well known watches and timepieces in limited quantities. Many are faithful to their original models in design and construction, and all use Swiss movements.
[edit] Doxa Innovations

• First Orange Faced dive watch, Sub300t in 1967. http://www.doxawatches.com/docs/21_WT_0605_Doxa_P16.pdf
  
• First watch with a rotating bezel to compute no-decompression times, Sub 300t, 1967^{[citation needed]}
  
• First Publicly Available Dive Watch with Helium Release Valve named the Conquistador.^{[citation needed]} In certain diving situations, helium can penetrate the watch seals and cause a pressure buildup in the watch, eventually blowing the crystal off the watch face. Rolex, invented and introduced the first dive watches with a helium release valve in 1969, which prevented this helium buildup. While this was a major advance at the time, few actual watches with this feature were produced. Doxa introduced the Sub300t Conquistador in 1969 featuring a helium release valve. According to the sales brochures and advertisements in Skin diver magazine, DOXA was the first watch company to introduce this device to the public for general sale. Rolex was manufacturing watches with the Helium Release Valve at the same time, but was only selling them to Commercial Diving Companies such as COMEX. Rolex offered the Sea Dweller with Helium Escape Valve to the public in 1972. Omega also eventually introduced a helium release valve, in its Seamaster watch.
  

[edit] In the media


The hero of the Dirk Pitt book series by author Clive Cussler wears an Orange faced Doxa watch and also in the movie Sahara an orange faced Doxa is worn by Dirk Pitt. In recognition of this Doxa have officially recognised Clive Cussler and presented him with a special watch. ^[1]
[edit] Doxa Naming Conventions


Doxa's dive watches adhere to the following naming conventions.

• Professional refers to an orange faced dive watch
  
• Sharkhunter refers to a black faced dive watch
  
• Searambler refers to a silver (metallic) faced dive watch
  
• Caribbean refers to a blue faced dive watch
  
• Divingstar refers to a yellow faced dive watch
  
• Conquistador refers to a watch with a helium release valve
  

WatchNoob wrote:

I saw this on another forum. All I can say is that if we choose to support those with only the purest of blood lines, our choices would be severely limited.

Very true, too

None of this tell how the new owners were willing to sell direct through the internet and slowly added a few dealers, when things got slow the dumped the dealers and change their pricing practices this summer and if you bought a week before it happened you spent about 800 bones more for the 1000 and 1 grand from for the 5000 (can you say invicta)!! watches are overpriced but have a huge following! I own a TUSA and 100 were made 1-50 went to tusa and Doxa pre-sold 51-100 in like two days for 2 grand. After the top brass and a few employees got their watches at tusa they had a hard time selling the last 30 pieces, i bought new one direct from them for a grand!! I never would buy new from doxa but love the 750 pro (not made anymore) but the prices just keep going up on that model! funny the company started in the 1800's and not until 1968 did the 300pro first come out and now the new owner are living off the history from then!! not the only company to have a big hole in their timeline, think there was a 55 year window from the panerai watches of the 1938 to 1993 where they only made 300 watches for the italian navy until richemont bought the name in the late 1990's and went public with the brand!!

merichar wrote:

Docrwm wrote:

[Not ridicule of Doxa just trying to set it straight. Even if, and I say IF, you allow the current Doxa to lay claim to original Doxa's achievements - they ain't what the marketers are claiming they were.

Doc-I was'nt referring to your comments. Just making the point that anyone who claims current Doxa has any more heritage than say Invicta is being hypocritical.

Ah, sorry. Was jumping online between patients yesterday and not as focused as I normally am. Tough kid yesterday, makes you have more perspective when you see someone that positive who has that many disabilities.

Anyway, I agree.