Schaumburg at Basel...

The case, in stainless steel, measures 45mm x 12mm. The crystal is sapphire and it features a helium escape valve. It is water resistant to 2,000 meters. Movement is the Swiss automatic Sellita caliber SW200 with 26 jewels and COSC-certification as a chronometer.





Schaumburg has applied for a patent for the Gnomonik Convert as it allows to separately read the hour and the minute with only one index. The exterior time display indicates the hour, the interior time ring shows the minutes.

The case, in stainless steel, measures 42mm x 12mm with 24mm lugs. It has a sapphire crystal and display back, and is water resistant to 50 meters. The dial is a fine ceramic-glaze, hands are blued steel.

Movement is the Swiss hand-wind Sellita SW07 with Nivarox 2 hairspring, Nivaflex mainspring and Incabloc shock protection. The Gnomonik Convert is available with
different skeleton movements as either an automatic or a hand-wind caliber (clones of the UNITAS 6497 family).

Kinda like the diver on the bracelet.

same watch as all the rest! deep blue, wilson, and a couple others!! this watch baffles me and makes me wonder if L&B made the case or just finished it in Germany?? For L&B to bitch about deep blue,enzo. balihia and others stealing their designs it seems odd to come out with the same piece after these came to market!

cali kid wrote:

same watch as all the rest! deep blue, wilson, and a couple others!! this watch baffles me and makes me wonder if L&B made the case or just finished it in Germany??

I see these 2k meter cases everywhere now - Sonic is another.
Even Zinex has some similarities (mostly the case back)
Where are they coming from?

cali kid wrote:

same watch as all the rest! deep blue, wilson, and a couple others!! this watch baffles me and makes me wonder if L&B made the case or just finished it in Germany?? For L&B to bitch about deep blue,enzo. balihia and others stealing their designs it seems odd to come out with the same piece after these came to market!

Even with the Nauticfish, they only said the watch cases were acquired (did'nt specify from where) and finished/assembled in Germany. I don't think there is any doubt that all these cases originated in China.

L&B Schaumburg has always said they build cases in Germany! But with this diver i think they are just finishing a Chinese made case in Germany and can put German made on it! If it was me price would be the first choice and since comparing apples to apples would go with the wilson watch works because i like the sterile dial! Here is a picture from the hong kong clock and watch show, i think that L&B bought some too!!!




Deep blue..



If this is true i feel sorry for sticking up for L&B,Schaumburg, Nauticfish the last couple years and looks like they source out just like everyone else!! Until someone can prove it wrong i'm going with them buying case blanks for china just like everyone else and finishing them in Germany and the threatened lawsuit must have been a smoke screen! dont get me wrong these case are well made and all the brands that bought them have built great watches around it, just that L&B said they were better than this!! Sorry Mark, at this point i would say you were in the right!

i couldnt even get my apology in before you posted, i've been working on it for 10 minutes!!

Here's the link, read reply 71 from L&B themselves.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=1112818&highlight=Longio&page=4

They acquire the cases in pieces, assembly is done in Germany. I think if they were made in Germany they would specify that also.

They still skirted the issue of where they where made didnt they, just not at longio!!! i've always heard the Nauticfish was the lower end of L&B but you cant tell me those cases on the schaumburg arent just like all the others!! At this point i'm not going to listen to much or anything from these companies and just buy what i like!! If invicta can get away with putting swiss made on the dial i'm sure it's much easier to put German made!!

im not disputing that the cases looks the same........but the schaumburg says its 45mm by 12mm the deep blue says 46mm by 18mm (thick case ) and i know the wilson diver was 45mm but i cant remember the depth on it.........is it just the movements and the case back that make the difference in width and depth , or do they just order this case design from overseas and tell them what size they want?

caseback would have something to do with the thickness but as far as the width the eta 2824 has been used in watches small as 36mm and most likely even smaller!Looking at schaumburg website it is 17mm thick and the same caseback as the rest!!

http://www.lindburgh-benson.com/uk/aquamatic-zwei.html#

the deep blue is 45mm at shopnbc site and used to be on the panatime site! these watches are all the same case!!

jaw wrote:

cali kid wrote:

same watch as all the rest! deep blue, wilson, and a couple others!! this watch baffles me and makes me wonder if L&B made the case or just finished it in Germany??

I see these 2k meter cases everywhere now - Sonic is another.
Even Zinex has some similarities (mostly the case back)
Where are they coming from?

If this were several years ago I'd say Fricker but today.....

merichar wrote:

Here's the link, read reply 71 from L&B themselves.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=1112818&highlight=Longio&page=4

They acquire the cases in pieces, assembly is done in Germany. I think if they were made in Germany they would specify that also.

Here is their quote, precisely:

"Also we do not obtain our current NF cases from a company named Longio. We get all case pieces (not finished cases) in individual parts. All housing assembly takes place by Schaumburg Watch in Rinteln which can be confirmed by participants and visitors of the Schaumburger Watch Workshops."

Sound like weasel words to me.

I have a question, and am not being facetious: How many parts are their to a case? They say they get all case pieces in individual parts Ok, but there's the case, the caseback, the tube(s) - anything else that is a part of the "case"?

I DEFINITELY like that Diver ! The black case and dial is mean looking. While
the orange helps pull everything together. The strap is great too !..With the
second one..two words..Pure Class ! Both of them are NICE IMO !

Docrwm wrote:

How many parts are their to a case? They say they get all case pieces in individual parts Ok, but there's the case, the caseback, the tube(s) - anything else that is a part of the "case"?

I can recall TV claims of an 11 piece case, but thats probably outdated-I have'nt watched any watch shows in a year or so.

As far as what Trevor said, I agree-buy what you like and don't listen too much to others. Unless you're buying a Bedat, there is no guarantee where any of your watch parts are made.

Trevor and Mark..So basically all of these cases from Deep Blue, Enzo,
Sonic, Wilson, VMD and more, are the same or of the same quality
as L&B Schaumburg ? The difference is mainly where they are finished
or put together ?

AtomicTom wrote:

Trevor and Mark..So basically all of these cases from Deep Blue, Enzo,
Sonic, Wilson, VMD and more, are the same or of the same quality
as L&B Schaumburg ? The difference is mainly where they are finished
or put together ?

I think the cases probably originate in the same place. Some are assembled or finished in Germany and that claim is then made. Its just my guess though. Some things we will never know, if they wanted us to know they would make specific statements. Without saying specifically, they are A) hoping you don't care or B) hoping you'll assume the best. You have to read what is said and infer what is not said.

merichar wrote:

AtomicTom wrote:

Trevor and Mark..So basically all of these cases from Deep Blue, Enzo,
Sonic, Wilson, VMD and more, are the same or of the same quality
as L&B Schaumburg ? The difference is mainly where they are finished
or put together ?

I think the cases probably originate in the same place. Some are assembled or finished in Germany and that claim is then made. Its just my guess though. Some things we will never know, if they wanted us to know they would make specific statements. Without saying specifically, they are A) hoping you don't care or B) hoping you'll assume the best. You have to read what is said and infer what is not said.

i agree with mark and the only thing i can see is schaumburg offers it with a COSC movement, not sure how much more money it will cost, some people are into that but long as it runs close to COSC specs i'm happy!

cali kid wrote:

merichar wrote:

AtomicTom wrote:

Trevor and Mark..So basically all of these cases from Deep Blue, Enzo,
Sonic, Wilson, VMD and more, are the same or of the same quality
as L&B Schaumburg ? The difference is mainly where they are finished
or put together ?

I think the cases probably originate in the same place. Some are assembled or finished in Germany and that claim is then made. Its just my guess though. Some things we will never know, if they wanted us to know they would make specific statements. Without saying specifically, they are A) hoping you don't care or B) hoping you'll assume the best. You have to read what is said and infer what is not said.

i agree with mark and the only thing i can see is schaumburg offers it with a COSC movement, not sure how much more money it will cost, some people are into that but long as it runs close to COSC specs i'm happy!

Thanks guys ! It's kind of like a puzzle or riddle, where we have to sort of
read between the lines I guess !..Maybe the best thing to do..is do what you
both said before..and buy what we like !