The Latest Invicta Fiasco and subsequent WG coverup and banning spree:

Ok, let's not delve back into all the EVILS of SHOP again...

...this thread is about the movement debacle or seemingly, the lie around it.

No need to re-hash the trap of value pays...
Poor CS...
The uninformed...

Bottom line on this topic, the company flat out lied about a movement in a watch...

...their credibility is shot...again.


NOW, what will be YOUR next watch?

Anomaly wrote:

Ok, let's not delve back into all the EVILS of SHOP again...

NOW, what will be YOUR next watch?

Upps. Sorry... got carried away...

My next watch will be the Richard Mille RM028 diver. I saw one in person at an AD in Chicago recently and it is a jawdropper.





I just need to wait for my next government check to clear... Upps. Sorry... Again!

In all seriousness however I am VERY interested to see how the DD situation is going to work out. I was amazed at EL's candor with regard to the Swiss/Non-Swiss issue and await his input.

Next watch? I'm getting another Invicta.

yamahaki wrote:

Next watch? I'm getting another Invicta.

Seems you were the King of Invictas at one time Sean!

bodypeersur1 wrote:

yamahaki wrote:

Next watch? I'm getting another Invicta.

Seems you were the King of Invictas at one time Sean!

Duff,

Even I owned 2 yellow boxes at one point. Broke even on the sale of the one too

Ok XMT here is an update...dont know how true it is but time will tell.



I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on
some facts.

It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter.
An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and
D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the
interim there are some facts that must be mentioned:

• All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD
  
• Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United
  States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed
  otherwise.
  
• The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their
  module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level
  placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used -
  It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to
  raise the dial over the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the
  problems that has occurred on some of the models
  

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the
official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me
directly to distribute.



Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......


-Jim




****** EDIT ******

After posting my thread, this was posted. A direct reply from Mr. Becker
from D-D on the subject.




from Christopher Becker <********.com>
reply-to Christopher Becker <*******.com>
date Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM
subject Re: Dubois-Depraz and Invicta

We have determined today that the movement is in fact genuine, and that
there are no technical problems associated with the movement from the
factory. An official statement will be issued on the net shortly.



Best,
Chris












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So, if I read this right, and we assume (for the sake of argument only) that these are real posts from real people who really, really, really represent the companies that are real, it was all Invicta's fault and they cast aspersions against an innocent company.

Docrwm wrote:

Even I owned 2 yellow boxes at one point.

I have a yellow box. Like this one.

porschefan wrote:

Docrwm wrote:

Even I owned 2 yellow boxes at one point.

I have a yellow box. Like this one.

Nope, like this one....

That watch with the dial covered reminds me of a body in a casket.

So what does this change? Invicta didn't buy the movements from DD.But since the movements are now proven as DD movements,everything
is ok? I guess whoever sold the movements to Invicta spoke up and they're now getting an ass reaming.

So still no facts other than what Jim posted,which at the moment is just hear say.So invicta needs DD to send parts
to fix Invicta watches that house gray market DD movements.And DD will do this to make them go away.
okay,total bullshit all the way around.

Anyone here buying an Invicta anytime soon?

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN

I am about as interested in this as I am who will be voted off dance you ass off...

Anomaly wrote:

Anyone here buying an Invicta anytime soon?

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN

I am about as interested in this as I am who will be voted off dance you ass off...

At least on that show when there's a malfunction it can be interesting......

Anomaly wrote:

Anyone here buying an Invicta anytime soon?

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN

I am about as interested in this as I am who will be voted off dance you ass off...

No kidding. Talking about "Dance Your Ass Off" this thread seems to be chasing it's own tail at this point.




Doc, that's "Dancing With the Stars" (such as they are).

porschefan wrote:

Anomaly wrote:

Anyone here buying an Invicta anytime soon?

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN

I am about as interested in this as I am who will be voted off dance you ass off...

No kidding. Talking about "Dance Your Ass Off" this thread seems to be chasing it's own tail at this point.




Doc, that's "Dancing With the Stars" (such as they are).

Thanks. There's a difference.......

Another day another debacle-life goes on. I'm over it but understand why others want to discuss it.

Yeah, the "Stars" are already thin, and the show is lame: "Dance Your Ass Off" is to humiliate large people. I learned all of this from "The Soup."

porschefan wrote:

Yeah, the "Stars" are already thin, and the show is lame: "Dance Your Ass Off" is to humiliate large people. I learned all of this from "The Soup."

Rather watch "D list" "Stars" humiliate themselves personally - if I have to choose.

Docrwm wrote:

porschefan wrote:

Yeah, the "Stars" are already thin, and the show is lame: "Dance Your Ass Off" is to humiliate large people. I learned all of this from "The Soup."

Rather watch "D list" "Stars" humiliate themselves personally - if I have to choose.

Oh, so you like "Celebrity Apprentice?"

porschefan wrote:

Docrwm wrote:

porschefan wrote:

Yeah, the "Stars" are already thin, and the show is lame: "Dance Your Ass Off" is to humiliate large people. I learned all of this from "The Soup."

Rather watch "D list" "Stars" humiliate themselves personally - if I have to choose.

Oh, so you like "Celebrity Apprentice?"

Sorry, I have to admit that I don't really watch TV. House, for obvious reasons, and Fringe and that's about it when Top Chef isn't on (sick fascination with that show).

We don't watch much either. Pretty much a couple shows on Travel, one on Discovery, Stewart, The Soup, and some baseball. Robin works 12+ hours a day...

porschefan wrote:

We don't watch much either. Pretty much a couple shows on Travel, one on Discovery, Stewart, The Soup, and some baseball. Robin works 12+ hours a day...

Don't even watch baseball much anymore. Went to a game last weekend with my son, that was great, but just don't enjoy watching the Bigs any more. Love AA and would watch them play every night.

Well, there's pretty much only one team we check listings for.

I am sometimes tempted to purchase another Renato or Invicta in that "spur of the moment." Some of the styles are striking and have a unique look. They certainly get more attention than my Breitling or Rolex watches. But then, I stop and think. If you bought a Rolex 10 years ago and kept it in decent shape, you can probably selll it for at least what you paid for it. Now, I know many of us don't buy watches as investments because hey, we don't have the cash to play with the big boys. But, it is nice to know that you have a quality product that may retain all or a big portion of it's value and even if it doesn't, you should have it for a lifetime. (or several).

There was a time in my life when the Invicta and Renato brand brought me (and many others) much pleasure. I can't say I personally have had multiple quality problems although I did have a Renato Stallion with a failed movement after about 8 months. Renato was great and Maureen gave me a brand new watch still in plastic. Of course, living in Fla. made it easier for me as I drove there and met with her personally . I hope both these companies can get back to fully pleasing their customers. It is disconcerting to hear gripes of limited edition numbering issues, lowest price ever never to be repeated issues that somehow seem to not hold as gospel and continued QC problems.

porschefan wrote:

Well, there's pretty much only one team we check listings for.

Dodgers fan are you?

ingoodtime wrote:

I am sometimes tempted to purchase another Renato or Invicta in that "spur of the moment." Some of the styles are striking and have a unique look. They certainly get more attention than my Breitling or Rolex watches. But then, I stop and think. If you bought a Rolex 10 years ago and kept it in decent shape, you can probably selll it for at least what you paid for it. Now, I know many of us don't buy watches as investments because hey, we don't have the cash to play with the big boys. But, it is nice to know that you have a quality product that may retain all or a big portion of it's value and even if it doesn't, you should have it for a lifetime. (or several).

There was a time in my life when the Invicta and Renato brand brought me (and many others) much pleasure. I can't say I personally have had multiple quality problems although I did have a Renato Stallion with a failed movement after about 8 months. Renato was great and Maureen gave me a brand new watch still in plastic. Of course, living in Fla. made it easier for me as I drove there and met with her personally . I hope both these companies can get back to fully pleasing their customers. It is disconcerting to hear gripes of limited edition numbering issues, lowest price ever never to be repeated issues that somehow seem to not hold as gospel and continued QC problems.

Well stated.But the only reason Invicta and renato garner attention is the sheer size,nothing more.people who wear them for attention aren't people
I want to know.Rarely is a comment made on my Zenith tourbillon,and its about the wildest looking watch on the planet.

Docrwm wrote:

porschefan wrote:

Docrwm wrote:

Even I owned 2 yellow boxes at one point.

I have a yellow box. Like this one.

Nope, like this one....

get with the program.

now this is a mess.

ingoodtime wrote:

I am sometimes tempted to purchase another Renato or Invicta in that "spur of the moment." Some of the styles are striking and have a unique look. They certainly get more attention than my Breitling or Rolex watches. But then, I stop and think. If you bought a Rolex 10 years ago and kept it in decent shape, you can probably selll it for at least what you paid for it. Now, I know many of us don't buy watches as investments because hey, we don't have the cash to play with the big boys. But, it is nice to know that you have a quality product that may retain all or a big portion of it's value and even if it doesn't, you should have it for a lifetime. (or several).

There was a time in my life when the Invicta and Renato brand brought me (and many others) much pleasure. I can't say I personally have had multiple quality problems although I did have a Renato Stallion with a failed movement after about 8 months. Renato was great and Maureen gave me a brand new watch still in plastic. Of course, living in Fla. made it easier for me as I drove there and met with her personally . I hope both these companies can get back to fully pleasing their customers. It is disconcerting to hear gripes of limited edition numbering issues, lowest price ever never to be repeated issues that somehow seem to not hold as gospel and continued QC problems.

Are you sure all that attention is positive? When I see someone with a rolex just think that guy has it going on, when guys comment on a big ole invicta I get the feeling they are laughing their ass off when they walk away! There is a difference in laughing at you rather than laughing with you!! Any watch invicta hasn't stolen from a real brand is just big loud and obnoxious! Of course your milage may vary and just my opinion but don't think for second your rolexes and breitlings are going unnoticed !

Docrwm wrote:

porschefan wrote:

Well, there's pretty much only one team we check listings for.

Dodgers fan are you?

porschefan wrote:

Docrwm wrote:

porschefan wrote:

Well, there's pretty much only one team we check listings for.

Dodgers fan are you?

Well, I guess it's ok for you (as a fan) to laugh at the Dodgers - I wanted to but that would have been rude.

Laughing at the question. We have an enormous amount of "dislike" for Chavez Ravine and it's residence.
Respect for the Phillies though. Tons of it for Charlie Manuel.

porschefan wrote:

Laughing at the question. We have an enormous amount of "dislike" for Chavez Ravine and it's residence.
Respect for the Phillies though. Tons of it for Charlie Manuel.

Been a Phillies fan since I was knee-high when my Grandmother taught me to play baseball. She wasn't much of at bat but she was a mean shortstop! Some of my earliest memories are of going to her place of employment and calling her name, her not turning around, and being startled when I hugged her because she had her transistor radio in her pocket with the earplug run up the back so she could listen to the Phillies game on the radio. That woman knew more about baseball than anyone I have ever met. Funny as my grandfather was a pitcher in the A's organization but it was my grandmother that taught me the game.

yamahaki wrote:

Rarely is a comment made on my Zenith tourbillon,and its about the wildest looking watch on the planet.

Damn, I haven't seen you post any pics of that Sean! Let's see it Big Guy!!! I've always been mesmerized by tourbillons!

yamahaki wrote:

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Got any Fortis rubber or steel in there Sean...

To yamahaki and cali kid. Let me say this. While the brands in question may sometimes "resemble" other famous make brands, some styles are completely unique. I myself have grown tired of the many itinerations of a theme on a theme and started to crave some originality, particularly in the Renato line. For both brands, the dials have become far to busy for me and the sizes are ever growing. That said, I still enjoy most of what I purchased. Many favorbale reactions have been expressed and I have had jewelers and layman want to buy one of my Renato watches. Yes, there have been a few that did not like them. If I like having people admire the watches I wear, please excuse me. If anyone doesn't want to be a friend of those that enjoy having their watches admired , let me say this. Maybe you should date some really ugly woman because hey, I know you don't like other guys admiring the person you are with. Or, never buy a new car or clean and wax it because hey, why would you want anyone admiring anything you have or like. Cmon people, let's get real. We all enjoy it when someone admires a watch we picked out. End of that story ok?

Here is an interesting link I found on the internet that speaks about Invicta and it does not seem to be very favorable.

I'll post it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invicta_Watch_Group as some have said, your mileage may vary